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This is why I use the human-run checkout lines. I want to keep the humans employed.


Our high standard of living is due to machines doing the work rather than humans.


All fine and dandy, but in the case of self-checkouts the cashier work is done by myself, and I'm not a machine.


I scan and bag while I shop, so self-checkout is just paying. It's barely a shift of work from cashier to me, because I have to pick things up and place them in my bag/basket/trolley anyway, scanning them as I do is barely an increase in work.


You describe mobile handheld scanners that are a form of self-checkout in some stores, but not the norm. Most of the commenters here probably associate self-checkout with a station with touchscreen, scanner and bagging area.


I only use the mobile handheld scanner version. If someone has to go through all my items and scan them at the terminal, it's not going to be me; store clerks can do that much faster than I can.


> You describe mobile handheld scanners

Aka 'my phone', but yes. It's the same self-checkout machine (just only need to pay if you already scanned). Widespread in the UK at least.


Not all machines lead to increase in the standard of living, and many things that would improve the standard of living are not done. At some point the argument you have made becomes irrelevant and cliched.


> Not all machines lead to increase in the standard of living

I did not say "all" machines. If I had meant "all" I would have written "all". That's what the word "all" is for.

Consider: "people like ice cream" Riposte: "not everybody likes ice cream"

I see this kind of response over and over here. It's cliched and irrelevant.


It was implied. Why else would you use that argument in responding to ridgeguy's comment about using human-run checkout lines? What machines would you point to as making the world worse?

In any case, since it bothers you so, you explained the situation yourself: "The self-checkout is there because it is cheaper than a cashier."

It's an error to equate "cheaper" to "increase in standard of living" because the people benefiting from the reduction in cost are usually not the entirety of the community, and it's unfortunate that someone of your caliber accepts such lazy thinking.

Over the last twenty years, automation has increased but the standard of living has gotten worse.


> It was implied.

No, it was not. When you inserted "all" you knew it was not implied.


You both miss the crux of the argument, i think. It would be more precise to say that physical machines raise the standard of living that we measure, but abstract machines reduce that which we don't measure. (Viz, finance.)

Compared to a generation ago, we can stuff more crap in our pockets and wardrobes, but housing is precarious and public institutions are weaker. Good luck supporting a family on a bottom-quartile wage.

GDP, measures of inflation: Goodhart's law.


It is not a machine, in this case. It's you, the customer, doing the work of the cashier.

Driving a car yourself is not "the machine doing the work of a bus driver".


Humans are still doing the work, except now it’s you instead of someone earning a wage. You do it for free!


Part of our high standard of living relies on living in a high trust society, which self checkouts seem to erode.




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